Category Archives: Students

Web safety

Cookies

It has to be said that clicking Accept all is the quickest way to get rid of the cookie question when you visit a new website.      Choosing the minimum of cookies often comes a close second, though.      When you go into the settings many websites show all except the essential cookies switched off.       Scroll down to the bottom, click Save & exit and it is all done.

Safety on the media

If you take things in via the spoken word better than the written word this page may be worth a try.      Click icon to view.

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See Technical for information about the safety of this site.       See also:  Using Facebook      PC trouble shooting

Safety

Ambitious about Autism has sets out the soft/people skills needed for online safety.      Click PDF icon to view.       

The National autistic society sets out the risks and benefits of the internet for autistic people and their families.       See article        new

UK Safer Internet Centre have produced resources to help children, young people, parents and teachers with on-line safety.      This includes when using the social networking sites.      Click icon to view.      Also, here are some handy tips for parents.

Get safe online

For an in-depth guide, Get safe online offers a UK based encyclopaedia of online safety.      Their Safe internet use page has some handy bullet points for checking websites.     

For example try clicking icons in web browser address bar – circled in red in example below.      The website information you get may vary according to which browser you use and browser extensions and addons in use.      Click icon to browse or brush up on the basics.

Before spending money or giving personal details a website needs to be checked.      This can be tricky, especially if they are not well known companies.      Here is an introduction to checking out a company in the UK, with links at the bottom.

Returning to dip into these resources from time to time could help to develop better awareness and produce better safety.      The online world is a bit different to the physical world.       new

Firewall

You only want one.      If you have more than one active at a time they may clash.      To increase security look for a range of different measures, such as browser extension/add-ons to cover more bases.        updated

Some security packages have them bundled in but all versions of Windows have one available.      For more information see: Technical Tips:

  • To see why one firewall is enough see the not overdoing things bullet point.
  • To find Windows Firewall settings see under security screens.

Anti-virus

For a sound introduction to the issues and context see Do you really need antivirus software?

For a guide to free options click Best free antivirus software .

Again, you only want one Anti-virus package.      You can have too much security.

Things to avoid

You may see adverts or find software on Google claiming to fix problems on your PC or speed up performance.      Treat these with a great deal of suspicion.

Take part in research – self-harm in autistic people

Self-harm

Mirabel Pelton is a researcher in the Mental Health in Autism group at the School of Psychology, University of Nottingham, led by Dr Sarah Cassidy.    She contacted GAIN inviting adults over 18 who have self-harmed in the last 6 months to take part in their study,

Existing research shows that autistic people self-harm more often than non-autistic people but there are no assessment tools or interventions to effectively assess, support or treat these difficulties.      Card sort task for self-harm helps people describe what happened before and after they self-harmed.     Click icon to find out more about the Card sort task.     There is a video introduction.

See also:  The project.        It is open to take part until it finishes in August 2022.

Cambridge research

Would you like to register with the Autism Research Centre (ARC) at the University of Cambridge, headed by Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.     They aim to understand the biomedical causes of autism spectrum conditions, and develop new and validated methods for assessment and intervention.      They are looking for adults and parents of children with an autism diagnosis.

Click PDF icon for poster or twitter icon for updates about taking part.
See also:  website        volunteers

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Archive

Just dance

Researchers at the University of Essex are currently working on a new project that involves autistic children playing the exercise game Just Dance with their parent or primary caregiver at home.      Online taster session on 15 September 2021.     Click icon to find out more.

GAIN was contacted by Phoebe Morris (MBPsS). PhD Studentship at the University of Essex.

School environment

This is a study of the ways in which a changed school environment has affected primary school children with ASD.    Would any parents/carers with a child aged 5-15 who has been diagnosed with Autism Spectrum disorder like to take part in three online questionnaires?       Click icon for a letter from the researcher and a link to the first survey.

Sleep study

The University of York is running a project charting the early sleep patterns of infants at risk of developing Autism Spectrum Disorders.     If you have a baby with an older brother or sister with Autism they would love to hear from you.     This project explores sleep patterns in infant siblings through the use of sleep diaries.     Click icon for poster.     See also official project information.   The university will provide all items and materials as needed.       (Posted Oct 2017)

Child study

Are you a woman with autism?      Are you pregnant?      Click icon for the study poster.       Here is the study summary.     See also the website associated with their email address.

Carer technology

Would you be interested in taking part in a 3 month trial of a technology package to assist in co-ordinating home care?

1.      It provides the person being cared for with greater social interaction with their friends and family as well as reminding them to take their medication.
2.      Gives Carers the peace of mind with information about the person they are caring for such as through movement sensors confirming that they have visiting the toilet, opened the fridge door or medicine cabinet.         This is done by setting up various sensors and equipment, such as blood pressure monitors that can be linked to the technology.

See:   Technology       Letter        Form         Everyone website – emerging from Lincolnshire Carers & Young Carers Partnership (LCYCP)

Button - playNon-compliance behaviour

Could you spare some time for a telephone interview for a research project.            Click button for a video introduction.

Here is a little bit of background information about the project, that could be posted up to accompany the video:

We are researchers at the School of Psychology, Queen’s University Belfast and our project focuses on children’s non-compliance behaviour.
Non-compliance behaviour is when a child:

  • Ignore your requests…
  • Tries to talk their way out of doing things
  • Directly defies you
  • Says “no” a lot

Almost all children show some of these behaviours, but some children with autism seem to struggle especially with these sorts of behaviours.
Surprisingly little research has been carried out on why some children particularly struggle with non-compliance.    We aim to find out more about the factors that can influence the non-compliant behaviour children show so that we can start to develop bespoke helping strategies specifically designed for these behaviours.

We would like to hear from you if you are a caregiver of a child aged 5-11 years old who frequently shows the behaviour described above, and who behaves like this across different settings and where you feel the behaviour may be having a negative impact on the child and/or on the family. 

In this initial study, we would like caregivers to take part in an interview over the phone to talk about the behaviour.      Everyone who takes part will receive a feedback report about what we have found when this initial study is finished and we will update any families who wish with information about our ongoing progress in this project and future participation opportunities.

If you are interested in hearing more about the study and would like more information, please contact:

  • Katherine Grady:          kgrady01@qub.ac.uk                07926 076 790 
  • Luke McCann:               lmccann32@qub.ac.uk
  • Kate Woodcock:            k.woodcock@qub.ac.uk            028 9097 4886

The interviews are due to be completed by the end of June 2016.

Self-Injurious Behaviour

This was an on-line survey.      The project leader said, We have developed two new questionnaires which measure beliefs about suicide and nonsuicidal self-injury.        Dr Andy Siddaway

See also  Support sheet       Stirling University

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Specialist Services

NHS services

Lincolnshire NHS offers a range of services to support people over 18 with learning disabilities and/or autism  in the community.      Click icon for their web page.      The Lincolnshire Family Services directory has a series of pages covering that range of services .       See: Introduction and notice links to specific services at the bottom.

Occupational therapists

What do occupational therapists have to offer children and adults on the autism spectrum?       Where can they be found?       Click icon to help find out.

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Floating services

Framwork’s floating support aims to promote the kind if skills and confidences needed for young people aged 18-25 in Lincoln to live independently.      Self-referrals can be made.      Click icon for more information.

Cauldwell Autism Services

Cauldwell Children’s Centre was opened at  Keele Science & Innovation Park, Newcastle-under-Lyme, ST5 5NT, in 2019.      Click icon to find out about autism services.        The page has a service guide download.       Autism services cater for ages 4 – 11.      See also:  Home       FAQ      apply       map.

Family graffiti 

Before Covid, Family Graffiti was putting on Cognitive Behavioural Therapy based workshops in Sleaford and Boston for parents – including those with an autistic child.       Children learn via their cognitive process.    They are constantly receiving and retaining information from everything they see, do, hear, witness, touch, taste… but children are psychologically ‘tuned in’ with their primary carer.    Therefore, cognitive behavioural therapy is quicker, more effective and longer lasting when it is delivered via the parent.       Click icon to see if anything is happening now.

Earlybird

The National Autistic Society (NAS) Early Bird Programme is a three-month programme designed to help parents and carers understand their child’s autism and find ways to communicate, interact and generally make contact.       See Family support to find out more.

Advance

Advance offers support and housing across Lincolnshire for young people with a learning disability.       Their support is primary delivered in the Boston area.       Anyone can contact them.

Family Action Support

North East Lincs Family Action Support Team (FAST) is a specialist service for families with children with attention and behavioural difficulties, including Autism Spectrum Conditions (ASC), Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and other complex needs, aged 3-17 years. 

Linkage

Linkage supports children, parents and carers where the children are aged between the age of 5-18 and have special educational needs, learning disabilities /difficulties across the whole of Lincolnshire.       The service is free.      They can:

  • Provide guidance and reassurance in completing referral, benefit forms and support in following appeal processes and attending tribunals.
  • Provide support on strategies that can be used in the home or in school.
  • Support young people and their parents getting the right support in school, preparing to leave school or college, training courses, colleges, supported internships and supported employment  and day activity opportunities.
  • Planning for the future – work, supported accommodation, available leisure activities.
  • Meet children and families at home, liaise with the school.

Click icon for more information,

Options Autism

This is the new name for Options Group.      They accept referrals for specialist autistic services in North Lincolnshire.      Click icon to see their map.      They offer:

Autism East Midlands

Autism East Midlands aims to to ensure people with autism can live their lives with dignity, choice and independence.      The nearest services to Grantham are in the Nottingham area.      They offer:

Short breaks

Lincolnshire County Council has a Short breaks team.

Associated conditions

See menu for more conditions:

See also Developmental conditions.

Demand avoidance

Pathological demand avoidance (PDA) is a profile that describes those whose main characteristic is to avoid everyday demands and expectations to an extreme extent.      Click icon for the National autistic society page.   

PDA society

Pathological demand avoidance (PDA) is part of the autism spectrum.         Click page icon on the left for PDA society website.
See also: Support strategies from the PDA society.

Click Facebook icon for the PDA support group – a large Facebook group.

Demand avoidance sounds similar to Oppositional defiance, so what is the difference?      Have a look at Parenting strategies and look for the Lisa Atkin heading.       See also: Sue Larkey.      new

Mental health

The National Autistic Society has a page about mental health and autism.       Click page icon to view.        Also, Autistica has produced a help sheet about autism and mental health.       Click PDF icon to view.

Here is a handy guide to Healthy coping skills for uncomfortable emotions written by a psychotherapist.         (new)

Patients may be referred to a psychiatrist for associated mental health issues.       See NHS introduction.        Ambitious about Autism has produced a guide to making the most of an appointment.

NHS reforms

The NHS Transforming care agenda has been aiming to support autistic children and adults in the community rather than inappropriate inpatient units.      Click icon to read about it.

Executive Functioning

Executive functions are the brain’s self-management system.        Problems with executive function can be linked to autistic traits in later life.      Click icon for Options help sheet.       It starts with James at school.

For more examples and how to address them read about Josh in this article.

Tourettes

Tourette’s syndrome is a condition that causes a person to make involuntary sounds and movements called tics.       See introduction

  • Tourettes Action website seems to be the go-to place for all things Tourettes.      Click icon on the left to browse.       They have a Find support menu.
  • The Lincolnshire support group meets in Lincoln and Grantham.
  • Discussions :  Netmums        Tourettes & Aspergers
  • Facebook videos might be worth a look.

Swallowing difficulties

Click icon to view help sheet for people with Autism about Dysphagia by a speech and language therapist.

Epilepsy

Autistica has produced a help sheet about autism and epilepsy.       Click icon to view.  See also Epilepsy Action:  Website           Information         Help & support

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Coronavirus resources

Walk-in vaccinations

The county’s two Mass Vaccination Centres at PRSA, Boston, and at the Lincolnshire Showground offer walk-ins as well as booked appointments.      Click icon for more about vaccinations in Lincolnshire.      It has an option for Walk-in clinics this week, showing up-coming pop-up walk-in sessions:

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For online workshops see: Related calendar         More resources:

Easy read

Mencap has several easy read guides for the life under current Coronavirus restrictions.      Click icon to browse.      Maybe the vaccine page might be of particular interest.

See also UK Government:  Road map out of lockdown       Census 2021

Support for carers

The government and the NHS has produced a Covid-19 carer support letter to identify yourself as a carer in shops etc.      Click icon for more information and to download the letter.

Health

The NHS continues to update its Coronavirus page.       It is straight forward to browse.      Click icon to view.

Government guidance

SKDC has launched its Covid community information hub.       Click icon to get the latest for the Grantham area.

  • Phone: 01476 406177 / 406358 : 8am – 7pm
  • Email:  SKCommunityHub@southkesteven.gov.uk

See also  for the UK government’s complete Guidance and support

Resources and updates

Here is a collection of resources and updates for the current situation from the National Autistic Society and others       Click icon to browse.

Scams

Covid has changed many things over the past year and scammers are seeking to take advantage.      Click icon to read about it.

Social story

Here is a social story about seeing people with face masks.        Click icon to take a look.      If it is not just what you want, does it give you any ideas?      See also: how to write your own         free images

Face coverings

Professor Ellen Townsend makes a plea for compassion for those who cannot wear face coverings.       She outlines the many reasons why some people may not be using a face covering.       Professor Townsend leads research at the School of Psychology, University of Nottingham.
Click icon for article.       See also:  Mask anxiety

Lincolnshire heritage & culture

Lincolnshire County Council have a number of short stories from long ago, produced by Lincoln Castle, on Youtube.       Click icon to see the list.

Occupational therapists

The National autistic society sets out what occupational therapists have to offer autistic children.     Click page icon to view.     On the right is a booklet that gives an occupational therapist’s view of sensory issues.      It addresses how to read the signs and coping strategies.      Click PDF icon to browse.

Specialist Occupational Therapy

Lincolnshire NHS’s Learning Disability service provides a range of specialist health services for adults (aged 18+) with learning disabilities.       Click icon for the occupational therapy page.      See also: Lincolnshire NHS page.

Find a therapist

The Royal college of occupational therapists has a handy facility to search for OT practitioners.      Click icon to browse the results for children and adolescents in the Grantham area.       See also:  blank search screen.

Sensory issues

Below are a few of the occupational therapists from the search results above who address sensory issues:

  • An obvious choice might be Children’s Sensory Therapy       Clicking the map option shows a location in Grantham but their website only seems to have a Nottingham clinic.
  • Rebecca Johnson describes herself as a Sensory integration practitioner.     She has experience with infants and offers visits to a Nottingham clinic, according to the map option.
  • Kerry Delany describes herself as a Specialist Occupational Therapist and Sensory integration practitioner:      Their is a location shown in Grantham on the map option.
  • Conor Mc Donagh looks like a more analytical Sensory integration practitioner, among other things.       There is a Grantham location on the map option.

There are more sensory specialist occupation therapists listed in the search results, if you want to be more thorough.

Also, have you been to the Belton lane children’s centre ?      They have a sensory room which is free to use.

Teens & young people

Autism in teenagers

Healthline, based in the USA, provides a beginners guide to autism in teenagers.      They outline the signs of autism around that age and when they might appear.     Then they go on to take you through what you could do if your teenager seems to be ticking the boxes.      Click icon to browse.          new

Relationships

Options Autism, previously Options Group, produce help sheets on relationships, developing sexuality and sexual expression.      To view them click PDF icon.Doc icon

Also. the National Autistic Society has a a guide for parents about sex education.      Click page icon to browse.           updated

Safe living

Parties, Dorms and Social Norms:  A Crash Course in Safe Living for Young Adults on the Autism Spectrum.       “The late teens and twenties are exciting times, but filled with potential pitfalls as young people navigate the transition into independent adult life.”       This book was written by Dr. Lisa Meeks, an Assistant Professor of Medicine and Director of Medical Student Disability Services at The University of California.
See: Amazon.             updated

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The  Adults  and  Employment  pages have a few items that may be of relevance for older teenagers.        See Growing up for sex education DVDs and on-line counselling.

Social skills

The National Autistic Society has a page about social isolation and social interaction.        Click icon to browse.

The following book might be interesting.           Michelle Garcia Winner & Pamela CrookeSocially Curious and Curiously Social,   A Social Thinking Guidebook for Bright Teens & Young Adult        It contains some cartoon-style illustrations.       It is not currently in Lincolnshire public libraries and, on request, they replied, “Unable to purchase via our supplier, out of print”.      Social Thinking  is the web page that
promotes the book along with a few other related books.     
See also:  Good Reads       Amazon – in stock in 2016.

First step to independence

The loving push is a book by best-selling author, autism advocate, and animal science professor Dr. Temple Grandin and psychologist and autism specialist Dr. Debra Moore.      They spell out what steps you can take to restore your child’s hope and motivation, and what you must avoid.

Temple Grandin is not everyone’s cup to tea but she has a big following.      See also  Get your butts out of the house …

What to expect

The Interactive Autistic Network was a research based initiative from 2006 – 2019.       They produced Autism in the Teen Years:  What to Expect, How to Help.       Click icon to browse.      The interactive autism network link autism community and research.        A couple of quotes:

  • The teens are not getting more noncompliant because their autism is getting worse.      It’s because they’re teenagers.
  • Teens say actually the hardest part is not having friends.

ChildlineTeen couples

Doc iconChildline was Esther Rantzen’s idea.         It has a well presented website where a teenager or young person can browse and see what others are saying or asking.      Click icon to view.

The website has a page about Autism.       More specifically, it has several pages which provide an introduction to issues that could be of help and interest to teenagers:

Peer pressure           Relationships            Sexting             Zipit

Sarcasm

Do you get sarcasm?      You might like to try Sarcasm is strong with this one on Facebook.

Doc iconExperiences

Read about parents whose older children and teenagers have either autism or Asperger’s.

Guidance for parents

This booklet offers practical guidance for parents and carers of teenagers with Asperger’s Syndrome.    

Treatments & Therapies

Occupational therapy

Why is occupational therapy important for autistic children?      Many are said to have a sensory processing disorder.      Where needed, occupational therapists may be able to help students to become functional in a school setting.

Although this article is aimed at professionals it can give parents some idea about help that is out there.      Click icon to see National Autistic Society article.      See also the NHS page about occupational therapy.

SEND Service Occupational Therapy has its own page in the Lincolnshire Family Services directory.     They require a professional referral.     new

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See also Specialist services under the heading Cauldwell Autism Services.

Colouring books

Click icon for a review of  The Healthy Coping Colouring Book and Journal.      Have a look at Amazon for this book and others like it.      People say that they are more than simple colouring books.

Can autism be cured?

Autism is a life-long condition – it cannot be cured.      But there are a range of methods of enabling  and assisting learning and development.

Responsive Communication

The Caldwell Autism Foundation is building a network of skilled practitioners across the UK to provide Responsive Communication support.       Click icon for the website.         It seeks to address the needs of hard to reach individuals.        Click play button for a list of video clips.      They offer detailed insights into the way the autistic mind works.       

Food Challenges

Click icon to view Options helpsheet, Facing food challenges for those with autism & sensory processing differences.

Dance movement psychotherapy

Options Group has produced a help sheet about dance movement psychotherapy.      They say that it is about creating a safe place in which to explore movement, dance, props and play.      See Specialist services about Options Group.

Rapid Prompting Method

Establishing the effectiveness of an approach to helping children with autism can be vexing.     The Rapid Prompting Method (RPM) is a relatively new communication technique developed for people with severe autism.       It is controversial and is, at best, only applicable in a minority of cases.       Click icon for more about it.     

Here is an intelligent Critique.      The author believes that the method is still at an exploratory stage.      He is, at time of writing, sceptical about its potential.

Asperger Experts

Danny Raede has discovered for himself ways of understanding and coping with the difficulties he experiences as someone on the spectrum.       He has formed Asperger Experts to guide and support others in the same boat.       See:  about us

Click icon for his website and look under the Browse menu option.        This part of the website is free to all.

Counselling

See Kooth on-line support in Growing up or Cognitive Behavioural Therapy in Adults.

Aroma-therapy & reflexology

To ease symptoms of stress, you might consider aroma-therapy or reflexology.

Sensory rooms

Where funds allow it may be possible to adapt a room in your own home.       GAIN cannot recommend any items of equipment or their use.       Just to give you an idea of what is available, here is one source of sensory equipment.       Here are some ideas of who might benefit and what could be selected.

Emotional & mental well-being

While autism is about development rather than mental health, people with autism may have mental health issues too.      See Emotional well-being in Growing up for resources and services in Lincolnshire.

Trampolines and soft play areas are good to let off steam for many children on the spectrum – as shown in the picture.

Where next?

The UK authorities plan to improve support for children on the spectrum.      Their 2021 autism strategy includes commitments for children.       Click icon to find out about it.      Also, since autism is a development disorder, Education is a key area of support.

Neurodiversity is a concept and a movement in support of people on the autistic spectrum.
It holds that autism is a valid way of being.

Key terms

Psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy:  NHS

Asperger’s

Steps 2 change

Steps 2 change is a free and confidential NHS service for anyone in Lincolnshire over the age of 16 who is feeling stressed, unhappy, depressed, sad, worried or anxious.        Click icon above for more information.       Find access information for year area, e.g. Grantham

People with high functioning Asperger’s syndrome may have well developed rational skills.       This could be valuable to help cope with the challenges of life.       It may be that they could benefit from talking through the way they perceive some things.       This is where Cognitive Behavioural Therapy might come in.        updated

Perhaps It might take time to establish the credibility of this approach in your own mind.       It may also take a while to find a therapist that can connect effectively.

Counselling

  • Lindum Counselling and Lindum Listening Ears, based in Lincoln, offer a free counselling service for children and adults.       See details.
  • Alternatively, the Counseling Directory can put you in touch will qualified counsellors in the Grantham area, or elsewhere, with expertise in Autism.

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Asperger’s syndrome 

What is Asperger’s Syndrome?       Click icon for a handy guide by the National Autistic Society.      See also brief Youtube videos:  slideshow         Ask the expert

Social skills

The National Autistic Society has set of pages about socialising and relationships with the autistic spectrum.       The page about making friends could be the most relevant.      Click icon to browse.      Also:

Asperger experts

Danny Raede has discovered for himself ways of understanding and coping with the difficulties he experiences as someone on the spectrum.        He has formed Asperger Experts to guide and support others in the same boat.       Click icon for their advice & how to page.       They also have an on-line community that you can join – see home.       See also: about

Asperger girls

Reddit online forum has an Asperger girls page.       It has the title:  Life skills and healthy coping mechanisms for the ASD community.      Click icon to browse this page.      The questions they tackle are quite grown-up.       Their general Asperger’s page could be worth a look too.

Keran – age 33

Meet Keran Bunker, who has always struggled to keep jobs or a place to live and did not find out he had autism with ADHD until he was-33.        Click play button for his video.

Relationships

You do not have to look far to see that relationship issues are of concern to all kinds of people.        However, below are a few links offering handy insights into relationships for people with Asperger’s.

  • ArticleRelationship Difficulties Due to Deficits in “Theory of Mind”  
  • ArticleRules of Effective Listening: Tips for Men on the Spectrum
  • Adult relationships – bullet points
  • Issues for partners
  • Radio programme – may well still be available to hear on-line:        Why do so many women think their men have Asperger’s syndrome?

Chat for Adults with Asperger’s

This is a website dedicated to people with Asperger’s.        Contributors tackle many topics.       Look for the Popular Posts as well as other links down the right hand side.       There is also a search box.       Below are some of the more substantial ones.

See also

Neurodiversity is a concept and a movement in support of people on the autistic spectrum.       It holds that autism is a valid way of being.     Click icon to find out more.

Shine Lincolnshire supports people with poor mental health, and may be helpfulto quite a few people with Asperger’s.      They may be able to help to get your life back on track.      Click icon to find out about them.

Psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy:  NHS

Dan Edmunds in practice

Dr Edmunds is a is a psychotherapist in Pennsylvania who treats people with autism.      He is also an autism-advocate who campaigns for a more humane mental health system where people have a voice.      He says that autistic acceptance and understanding underpin his clinical practice.      He believes that forging emotional connections is key.

Autistic acceptance

He outlines why autistic acceptance and understanding are better for people with autism than behavioural approaches that have often been followed.      Click icon for article.

Autistic empowerment

He has developed some core principles for his therapeutic work.      Click icon for an article in which he sets them out.

Quite a few people are advocating a neurodiverse approach towards autistic people these days.      Maybe Dan Edmunds is one of the more unconventional.      Sometimes he speaks out in strong terms, not least about the failings of the mental health system.      His style will not appeal to everyone but he seems to reach people that others do not.      This article illustrates it all.

Media

Here is an interview with Dr Edmunds about his approach to psychotherapy and autism-advocacy.     Click icon to listen.
(46 minutes)

Click icon and log in to Facebook to browse his professional timeline.      This may be what you see before logging in.      Perhaps you might be interested in his personal Facebook page too.